Migrate or Immigrate?


Someone asked me one day if I could do something about illegal immigration what would i do? I didn’t know what to say to them. I never truly sat down and thought about it. But i decided to answer the question via this format. This is my humble attempt at even understanding the problem and a feeble attempt at fixing it. There is no malice behind what I’m saying, just my objective thoughts.

Let’s first define how someone becomes an illegal immigrant. There are three ways to be considered and illegal immigrant: entering without authorization or inspection, staying beyond the authorized period after legal entry, or by violating the terms of legal entry. Over half of the ‘illegals’ in this county are Mexican. So for clarity’s sake I’m going to discuss that problem. So what are they coming for? Well quite frankly they usually come to get the job. But they usually aren’t trying to steal our jobs, because they are willing to do all the jobs that most Americans are not willing to do. However this brings up an interesting legality. If an illegal has a job there are wage taxes coming out of their check every month. But because they have no real Social Security Number they don’t receive the money they have earned later in life. According to a 2006 Congressional Testimony From Tax Years 1937 through 2003 the Earnings Suspense, which holds all the misplaced dough, accumulated about 255 million mismatched wage reports, basically $75 billion in employment taxes paid accounting for over $1.5 trillion in the Social Security Trust funds. As of October 2005, approximately 8.8 million wage reports, representing $57.8 billion in wages remained unresolved in the suspense file. What does that money do, where does it go? This is the money that should go toward the border protection services. This is where they should get the money to complete the wall. I personally think that a truly finished wall would be an appropriate response to the problem. It may sound harsh but our current border patrol cannot keep up with the quantity of people crossing the border. A real wall needs to be put up. I have no malice toward Mexican immigrants but I do have a problem with anyone who by passes the rules & regulations. Also think about those people (and not just Mexican) who legally enter this country through dedication and patience. They work hard to come through the right channels to become legal citizens.

Do what you gotta do?

Certain agencies within the Mexican government have been suspected of encouraging illegal immigration. The US Dept of Homeland Security claims that these agencies hand out literature on how illegal immigrants may remain undetected in the United States, receive assistance from US social services, enroll their children in public schools and send money to Mexico. The state of Yucatan provided a handbook to assist persons who planned to illegally cross the American border. (http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/04/local/me-handbook4) The Mexican federal government distributed a comic book for illegal immigrants, issues identity cards to Mexicans living outside of Mexico, and planned to distribute border maps but that never got off the ground. Our government needs to put more pressure on the Mexican government to be more accountable for their citizens. Along with pressure to beef up their own border control. So what else can we do to prevent immigration we also could add more checks and make it a little more difficult to send money to Mexico. Most of the Mexican immigrants come here to work and then send the money home. So if we created a system to more securely regulate the money flowing from here to Mexico it may deter the desire to be get an American job.

Another thing that seriously affects immigration levels are sanctuary cities. Once an illegal immigrant has entered a sanctuary city they are less likely to be discovered. Sanctuary cities instruct their own law enforcement and even other city employees not to alert or cooperate with the federal government. This just boggles my mind they do not want the illegal immigrants to leave because many urban cities depend on the revenue received from immigrants. However immigrants use many of the given city’s social services. Cities like Washington D.C., New York, San Diego, and Los Angeles of all places are sanctuary cities. This shocks me; I am not saying I want the police to be knocking on peoples’ doors asking ‘are you legal?’ But if any law enforcement gets word of illegal immigrants working or living in their city they should be required to at least report it. All that I’ve stated above is a problem, a very serious problem but the worst problem in my opinion a little more physiological. ‘Ethno-Americas’ immigrants come into this country to create their own America, rather than integrating into the fabric of this country. Illegal immigrants are the worst culprits, because they already do not want to engage and bring attention to themselves. I’m not asking them to renounce their heritage nor is this nationalistic thinking. But unlike the immigrants from the early 19th century, who came to this country to be apart of something new. Immigrants in this day in age create their own ethnic enclaves. And instead of becoming apart of the current culture. They create their own which often mirrors their original culture. This social network destroys the idea of citizenship. Thereby destroying what a country a needs to stay stable. That was the problem that the Roman Empire had. It had stretched it hand out so far and allowed people to still live by their own cultures, which were in direct opposition to Roman rule most of the time.

All comes down to this

I quite frankly don’t know what we should do to stop these kinds of mini-cultures. The only thing that I can think of is to add more cultural studies to the requirements for the citizenship test. So that when they become citizens they are more willing to just engage with the culture that surrounds them instead of creating their own.

Please if you feel led share your thoughts below?

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4 thoughts on “Migrate or Immigrate?

  1. (1) Over half of the ‘illegals’ in this county are Mexican {So, the discussion won’t include the Canadians, the Chinese, the Iraqis, the Cubans, etc.?}.

    (2) Certain agencies within the Mexican government have been suspected of encouraging illegal immigration. The US Dept of Homeland Security claims that these agencies handout {hand out} literature on how illegal immigrants may remain undetected in the United States, receive assistance from US social services, enroll their children in public schools and send money to Mexico {Insert references here – where can I find this information?}. The state of Yucatan provided a handbook to assist persons who planned to illegally cross the American border {Where can I find one of these handbooks?}. The Mexican federal government distributed a comic book for illegal immigrants, issues identity cards to Mexicans living outside of Mexico {Most countries do issue identity cards for their citizens – why mention this?}, and planned to distribute border maps {Then… am I to assume that you have an intimate knowledge of the plans of the Mexican government?} but that never got off the ground. Our government needs to put more pressure on the Mexican government to be more accountable for their citizens. Along with pressure to beef up their own border control {One of the responsibilities of a government is to control people entering their country – not to control people leaving their country – your main concern seems to be with Mexicans entering the United States. (3) From the perspective of the Mexican government, these people are leaving Mexico, not entering Mexico}. So what else can we do to prevent immigration {Up to this point I thought your concern was with illegal immigration, not immigration as a whole} we also could add more checks and make it a little more difficult to send money to Mexico. Most of the Mexican immigrants come here to work and then send the money home {That may be true, but these workers also have to buy food, pay rent, buy fuel, pay taxes on items purchased, and pay social security taxes (4) (which, according to your testimony, they can never recover). So, if we created a system to more securely regulate {There currently is a secure method of sending funds to any nation – I believe you want to stop the flow of funds from the United States to Mexico} the money flowing from here to Mexico it may deter the desire to be get an American job.

    Another thing that seriously affects immigration levels are sanctuary cities. Once an illegal immigrant has entered a sanctuary city they are less likely to be discovered. Sanctuary cities instruct their own law enforcement and even other city employees not to alert or cooperate with the federal government. This just boggles my mind they do not want the illegal immigrants to leave because many urban cities depend on the revenue (5) {Earlier you stated that the funds were sent to Mexico – how do the cities get this revenue?} received from immigrants {Have you considered that the cities have humanitarian concerns also?}. However, immigrants use many of the given city’s social services. Cities like Washington D.C., New York, San Diego, and Los Angeles of all places are sanctuary cities (6) {Where do you get your information? San Francisco is a notable sanctuary city – but San Diego? No}. This shocks me; I am not saying I want the police to be knocking on peoples’ doors asking ‘are you legal?’ But if any law enforcement gets word of illegal immigrants working or living in their city they should be required to at least report it. All that I’ve stated above is a problem, a very serious problem but the worst problem in my opinion a little more physiological. (7) ‘Ethno-Americas’ immigrants come into this country to create their own America, rather than integrating into the fabric of this country. Illegal immigrants are the worst culprits, because they already do not want to engage and bring attention to themselves {I’m confused. Are you saying that by being different – by not integrating into the larger society – they do not attract attention? Don’t you think that the opposite is true – that by becoming more like everyone else they would attract less attention?}. I’m not asking them to renounce their heritage nor is this nationalistic thinking. But unlike the immigrants from the early 19th century, who came to this country to be apart of something new. Immigrants in this day in {and} age create their own ethnic enclaves {So…you don’t advocate immigrants retaining their cultural identities? How do you feel about the Polish in Chicago, the Italians in New York, the Irish in New York, the Finns in Oregon, the Swedes in Minnesota, the Spanish who lived in northern New Mexico in 1847, etc., etc, etc.? All of these people, and many more, still retain the cultural identity of the old home country.}. And instead of becoming apart of the current culture. They create their own which often mirrors their original culture. This social network destroys the idea of citizenship {So…are you saying that one can’t be proud of being of Irish descent and march in the Saint Patrick’s Day parade and still be a good American citizen?}. Thereby destroying what a country a needs to stay stable. That was the problem that the Roman Empire had. It had stretched its’ hand out so far and allowed people to still live by their own cultures, which were in direct opposition to Roman rule most of the time {The subjected lands included in the Roman Empire were forced to be in the empire, as the near constant revolts against Rome can attest to. Being a part of an empire (against your desires) is not the same thing as wanting to be a citizen of, and living in, a country}.

    All comes down to this
    I quite frankly don’t know what we should do to stop these kinds of miny {mini}-cultures. The only thing that I can think of is to add more cultural studies to the requirements for the citizenship test. So that when they become citizens they are more willing (8) {Because I can read and understand the Communist Manifesto or Mein Kamp doesn’t indicate that I agree with them or that I would be willing to become a communist or a Nazi} to just engage with the culture that surrounds them instead of creating their own {This seems to be the very concept of what being an American is (9) – the right to choose what you will be. The early immigrants to what would become America – the English, mostly – chose to move to the New World to escape a country where they had to comply with set rules and regulations}.

    • 1. Yes I’m only talking about Mexico/American immigration

      2 The mexican comics and other handout check it ou here (http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jan/04/local/me-handbook4)

      3. No, your right our country doesn’t have the right to tell Mexico ‘to control people leaving their country’ but when they are leaving their country and heading north they will be entering ours and if they aren’t doing that legally then their government should be doing something about it

      4. Correct me if I’m wrong but i think you need a social to collect tax refunds or to collect social security?

      5. Did I say that they send all their money to back to Mexico? No i didn’t, yea they send every single dime back to mexico. How would they even live in the country then. All i meant was that many legal and illegal Mexican immigrants send money back to their families in Mexico. And yes i know this to be true because i have many Mexican friends that work at my father’s job who send portions of their checks back to Mexico for their families.

      6. http://www.ojjpac.org/sanctuary.asp
      http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=20547&c=1&tb=1&pb=1&gd=05042007
      lists of sanctuary cities.

      7. I have no problem with a person remembering, honoring, or identifying with their given heritage. It is apart of them, it is apart of their identity. It’s apart of what makes us who we are. I would just like to point out there is a fine line between that and what I was discussing in the post. I’m also not saying that America will be brought to its knees by this phenomena. I’m just calling attention to it.

      8. I never said they didn’t understand, and I also didn’t say read a manifesto. I said put more ‘cultural influences’ into the citizenship classes. Share more of American culture things such as American artist, performers, writers, etc… As of now the citizenship test is more about spitting back dates and names and that should be an important part of the classes and test. History is important to any country, however it should also include more cultural information.

      9. Being an American is about being an American. Not a Afro-American or Latin-American or European-American. And yes they did leave but also to abide by a different set of ‘rules and regulations.’

  2. 1. I understand that the discussion will not involve the other 50% of illegal immigrants who come to the U.S.; people from England, Ireland, Germany, Russia, China, Scotland, etc.

    2. I read the L.A. Times article that you referenced. The article was concerned with how to safely cross a desert. Nowhere in that article was there any mention of how to exploit the U.S. system. Even the conservative groups quoted agreed that these books could help people stay alive.

    3. I can’t understand how you came to the conclusion that it is the responsibility of the Mexican government to control who leaves their country. The U.S. doesn’t do that. I can drive into Canada or Mexico and the only people who stop me are the Canadians or the Mexicans – in their respective countries.

    4. Yes… One does need a Social Security number to collect social security. But – that is not the point. You stated that these people came here and sent all of their money home. I said that, even if they did send some money home, they still had to buy things while in this country.

    5. I’m sure that some Mexicans send money to Mexico. According to the U.S. federal government there are in excess of 11 million illegal Mexicans living in the U.S. Do you really think that the few Mexicans you have met are representative of all illegals? What about those Mexicans who came here 50 years ago? They married, started familes, bought homes, paid taxes, bought cars, went on vacations, etc. They have been away from Mexico for many years. They live their lives in the U.S. It’s not just those who came here many years ago – it’s also the recent immigrants. A man and his wife immigrated to the U.S. last year. They get jobs (low paying, most probably)and start: paying rent, buying food, etc. Do you really think that they have money to send back to Mexico?

    8. I would be interested in knowing more about American culture. What is it and where is it? Can it be found in the Jewish section of Denver where they sing Eastern European songs in the temple; is is in the Vietnamese section of Chicago where the third language is usually English; is it located in the swamps of the deep south where the people are still fighting (in their minds at least) the Civil War; maybe it’s in Hollywood where a bunch of Eastern Europeans started the film industry – and managed to push their vision of America on screens across the country and the world. The true American culture is all of these and more. It is about a free people living the life they want. It is not the simplistic ideas you wrote about. You cannot contain a free people and force them into the mold that is America for you.

    • 2. So you think its ok to indirectly advise people who have decided to enter the country illegally

      (It includes simple language and illustrations showing immigrants fording streams and suggests that they wear clothing that won’t entangle them. “Crossing a river can be very risky, especially if you cross alone and at night,” the booklet reads. “Heavy clothing becomes heavier when wet, and this makes swimming or floating difficult.”)

      (Although the booklet includes statements discouraging people from crossing the border illegally, much of the publication is focused on aiding those who ignore that advice and try to enter the United States)

      3. We just don’t see eye to eye when it comes to the responsibility that a government should have concerning its own citizens entering other countries. And the American government tells it’s citizens not to go to certain countries legally or illegally (cuba among others). Shouldn’t the mexican government help enforce legal entry into other countries?

      4/5. I acknowledged that they don’t send all their money home And I also know I cannot generalize the lives and financial actions/situations of all mexicans. I’m just speaking of those i have come into contact with.

      8. All I am essentially talking about are mini-cultures within a larger one. The same mini-cultures sometimes close the door to integration and may even segregate communities. I’m going to use one of the examples you gave. The ‘Jewish-American’ community, which is a very closed community that I have experienced this first hand in both Cherry Hill,NJ and the example below. I’m originally from Baltimore, MD and outside of the city in Pikesville is a large jewish community. This area is essentially only jewish families, the area literally has unofficial marked boundaries. Cross Slade Ave and continue down Park Heights and your in what the young people who live in the area call ‘Jew-town’ (Their term not mine in all seriousness). Now when I or my friends would use public facilities within that area/community the looks, stares, whispering it was ridiculous. It would start as soon as we crossed Slade Ave. the street I mentioned before As if to say ‘what are you doing here?’ (and im not talking about racism this is not what this is because Judaism isn’t a race, it bias on a cultural level) There is nothing wrong with establishing a community around things we have in common with each other it what a community is. But when it reaches a level where if your not apart of the culture within the community you are imposing I personally believe something is wrong. And if you can’t see or understand my point and I guess I can convey what I’m trying to say via this method of communication.

      (PS. Just to let you know there is no hostility behind these responses)

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